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Honesty exists, yes. But not for everybody.

Started by PiZero · 9 months ago

Hi to all, friends, This is a “special post”. No theme publishing today. Insted, I’d like to share with you some thoughts about something that is really putting me down.

First, I’d like to explain the first part of the title. Honesty exists, yes.

Before running this blog I was unsure about real honesty, for people ... Continue reading »

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  • you may want to go after Handango. They are facilitating fraud if they keep selling your themes and profiting someone else.
  • there are always lazy suckers, attempting to steal someones hard work and earn easy money. I doubt you can do anything about that. And this is not a first time i read something about handango i know they really suck, i think you maybe need to spam them with mails until they remove copyrighted material. or even try to contact corresponding copyright authorities in US ( i guess handango is hosted there) , and present them your problem. good luck, and i hope you wont give up posting your great themes
  • The money is good things
  • Man! THIS IS LIFE. Real dirty life. In every aspect of our life - such thing are happens. It's up to you to decide. Only sell themes. Close this site. Or make some philosophic conclusions about such things and move forward.

    You're not bad person, I like your style - I'm sure you will handle this problem. I wish you big luck!

    My regards ^_^
  • А как ты хотел? Либо ты, либо тебя. Не гнуси, отсоси
  • Thank you Mr.P!

    MrJackHammer
  • You read my Comments today on Symbian Freak about the one Guy Pizero, i really really hope you just don't stop creating themes, would be a huge loss for all of us! Your work is very much appreciated!
    MichaelSF
  • Hello Pizero,

    I am very sorry to hear that. I deeply condemn the actions by such culprits. Though i haven't purchased nor donated you a penny yet (which i think i would not do so when my income raises :) ), i am great fan for your stunning professional themes and appreciate your high quality and creative work. I wish that you would soon resolve this issue. wish you the best, i hope not to lose your themes in future.
  • Te doy todo mi apoyo. A partir de este momento no compraré mas software en Handango.
    Gracias por todos tus excelentes Temas, que voy a comprar en este momento.
    Saludos.

    I give you all my support. From this moment, no longer buy more software on Handango.
    Thanks for all your excellent themes, which I will buy now.
    Greetings.
  • Pizero.. sorry to hear this... don't give up! don't leave this person.. make sure he/she is behind the bars... do post what happened...
  • We all love your themes a lot please dont stop, I guess you do have a little comfort in knowing that you have many faithful users that have your back and will help you out. You are not alone in this. Thanks again for soo many nice free themes
  • Hola Pizero.
    La vida es dura, pero no por eso te des por vencido, entiendo tu situacion, en verdad es una lastima lo que te ha sucedido, pero existe gente asi. Sino mira la pagina de mercadolibre de ecuador, donde te venden cds llenos de aplicaciones, temas, juegos, etc. que son freeware y los consigues en internet gratis.
    No te des por vencido.
    Lo mismo paso con Samir, (del famoso rotateme), alguien que dono para descargar su mas reciente version, lo subio enseguida el internet para que lo descargue todo el mundo sin donar
    Esto lo menciono, para aclarar que no seria ninguna solucion que tus increibles temas se puedan descargar solo previa donacion.
    Muchos animos Pizero, en verdad si dejas de crear tus temas, nos vas a hacer mucha falta. =(
    Sigue adelante....
    Forza Pizero...
  • 加油!!PIZERO
    我们爱你!!
  • While i was reading your post i was thinking to myself... what a f*** world... i really understand and share your frustration, all the time and effort you put into this... not fair. i really don't know what would i do if i was in your place but lets hope you get the name of the f*** and make him pay for it. i completely understand if you stop making free themes, but lets hope that day never comes.
  • well i do think you can print your own website on your themes and make the users know about that. i won't care the print because i have been using your themes for so long time and i'm not gonna change my habit~~~
    cheer up man!
  • Hi Pizero my friend! First of all I wanna thank u your effort for your awesome themes. You are truly my favourite themes maker.

    I read your post and it's true this stuff is pretty frustrating but always has happened, is happening and will happen. Don't get too crazy.

    I think you're not gonna be able to change all of this which is happening to you. The problem is for the people who are buying these themes. I'll explain to u with an example:

    imagine if I buy a brand new car, to be precise a Audi TT, and I pay 30.000€. Tomorrow I decide to resell it for 50.000€. One person comes over and buy it without knowing that he could have bought it in any Audi shop. Do you think Audi is gonna come over to reproach me for what I did? No because the problem is of the guy who bought it. I would be a shameless but he saw the Audi's logo but didn't check the price in the official shop.

    In handango they are doing the same. They show your name "by pizero.net" and the people who buy it don't bother themselves checking the official site: "www.pizero.net".

    Please, don't give up! We are all with you.
  • dear friend...all what u say is true....but [lease dont stop making themes...coz people like me in development countries cannot afford to by them coz the exchange rate...

    in my country $10 = Rs.1100/- thats big!!!

    so anyway we will be vigilent...and let u know when ever possible about people steeling your theme.

    thanks...and take care.
  • Well, thank to you all for supporting me.
    Of course I will not give up doing themes for this stupid thing, but this makes me loose a little enjoyment in what I do.
    However, I would like to focus the point that Handango is not the main cause of what happened. THe fact is that everybody can register, sign a contract, and start selling. I think they don't control every file that is put for sale, because it would take much resources. (But I think they could easilty however!)
    The only thing that I'm blaming to handango, is that the support service is not fast enough. I mailed them on the beginning of the week, and I hopefully expected to resolve the issue within 24 hours. Unfortunately, it seems that they don't care much about what happended, and the issue is still here after 5 days.
  • come on Pizzero, you can not beat all bad people in this world. Every of them doing against all of us, even if we think they don't. Software is one of most stolen things, its truism. Don't give up, most part of people can help you to find violations of your copyright. I can tell you I will notice all stuffs selling on our "ebay-like" portal in my country.
  • Pi Zero, you are the greatest theme maker ever!!! All of us who followed your work during last months, years, have to be happy and satisfied because we were part of real modern and progressive art, art that is not only seen in museums and galleries, but art which is redefined with technological improvement, art which lives in future, and for all of that, THANK YOU PIZERO!!!
  • AZCYA, has a point, MrP! You just put your signature, or small TradeMark in your themes, next to the battery indicator maybe! Maybe its possible to redo the theme or erase the TM somehowe, but still it would be more problem for the "bad guys"! I would not mind to have the TM there, and I'm sure your real fans would not mind either, on the contrary, it would make the theme even nicer!!!

    MrJackHammer
  • MIchele, I would feel exactly as you do. I'm sorry to hear that people are stealing from you. Thta is just what it is stealing! Handango is making it possible so I wll never buy anything from handango again. I know that does not help you in this case but it is the least I can do to show my support. The people that steal your themes have no morales, they wreck it for everyone. I have purchased your premium themes and I love them, it would be sad but maybe you need to make all themes premium.
  • Hi all.

    Theft is bad, but not solving legal issues concerning licenses and content, is worse. I'll write these days on my subscribed forums about Handango and its practices and I'll suggest a boycott against it.
    After all, that's much about we can do. And, of course, donate / pay for these beautiful themes!
  • hi there, this is really sick indeed, i enjoy the dowloads they are very nice to look at and i got many many positive reactions. So the first thing i did was giving them your webadress, im sorry i cant donate, my parents dont like that, think its insecure. Anyway i thought a positive post would do you some.. favor =), thanks for all, and thanks from all my friends, your themes are the best!

    Patrick from Holland
  • Thank you ! Mr Pizero!
    All your themes are very beautiful !
    I like them very much .
    I will be very disappointed if you give up making themes.
  • This is insane,Even I have put your themes on my blog as they were free to share and most of all because I love them and wanted to share it with my readers.Don't get discouraged by these kind of things.you know how popular your themes are.If Italians stop making themes I'm sure all the s60 users will get bored.

    I'm sure P@sco,Giambi,LucaP and all the other Italian themers will help you to fight this,also we too can do what ever help you need.Let all the bloggers unite for this
  • Pizero i understand your feelings but at the same time think about the majority of people like us who don't do all the bad stuff. We are here just to download the free themes and enjoy them. I know people who are stealing and selling your themes should get punished. In the future, at least make the free themes for your fans

    LONG LIVE PIZERO..............................
  • Shit...people like that make me sick....but i guess your themes are just too good for ppl to not try and scam (tho its illegal)...Money makes the worl go 'round i gues...
  • contact will@handango.com - he's the only person there who cares about fixing their crappy service and can do something about it
  • i would consider taking legal action against handango - failure to act responsibly after notice of copyright infringement, inaction which serves to make them even more profit than the fraudulent person(s) selling your themes.

    talk to an attorney, i have no doubt a free consultation could result in at least harming handango at worst with a net-zero impact on your pocket.

    goodluck
    -bit
  • Sue Handango and the guy who's ripping your themes. It's not the first time Handango is involved in this kind of business. I stopped buying from Handango more than a year ago. I contact the developer directly if I want something he/she sells on Handango.

    Sorry Pizero this is happening. You've got my sympathy. Hope you get this solved.
  • Actually you should start charging for it. Why should anyone rep the benefits of your great work.
  • If you need help, PhoneReport will be there for you.

    Keep up the great work PiZero!
  • I'm very sorry to hear that some people just ripped off your efforts spent in making fabulous themes for the benefit of all S60 owners. I hope Handango will contact you soon to get it sorted. Your themes are very well designed, I'm sure thousands of people will agree with me on that. Cheers mate!
  • i'm very sorry to tell u that in China, all of ur themes are free downloaded by anyone...
    and maybe u don't know, almost all of Chinese don't understand why download resourses like phone themes should be paid. We were taught to be no stealing and no violation of the rights when we were kids, but we don't think download things from internet and crack software is a violation or illegal, further more, we don't think phone themes can be purchased into money
    In China, people make themes for fun, ive never seen people sell them, even if someone sell themes, i definitely sure that NO ONE will buy.
    We use computer softwares such like Norton Anti-virus software, Kaspersky8.0, 7.0, 6.0, Mcafee, ESET, etc. they are all cracked by someone and we are free download and use them.
    We use phone softwares such like Nokia Maps(all functions are available), Lonely Cat Games softwares, Handy softwares, Resco, even N-GAGE(including all the games) are cracked, and we just use them free, because they are very easy to be cracked.
    Why this? why we don't pay for them? that's really a big question!
    maybe it just a mind in our brain -- it can be easily cracked and used,why we getting ourselves into troubles to pay for the money and do lots of trouble things.
    Once i asked my boss why don't buy Anti-virus softwares?(in my company, Kaspersky Anti-virus software is cracked ), he answered, why put the free things down and paid the bad money...

    there is no denying that ur themes are the top themes in the world, but i don't think i have so much money to buy them. e.g
    a theme=10$=70RMB=48 bottles of coke cola.
    oh,shoot! even the theme is pretty awesome, i would rather to prefer cola.

    and also Anti-virus softwares are always very expensive,(i know there are some free editions such like AVG, AVIRA) little part of ppl would like to spend hundreds of YUAN to buy them.

    Mr.Pizero, i'm here not to offense u, just tell a situation in China,
    but i do not shame fot I am a Chinese, u know i can't change it, I really like ur themes and i will buy them if i was born in US.

    that's it, hope u can understand me or this situation...(i know it seems unacceptable)


    A normal Chinese boy
  • im very sorry
  • Dear, I'm not talking about people downloading premium themes for free.

    I'm talking of people that download my free themes, and then they sell them
    for 10$.
    Do you understand?

    (amazing 10$= 48Bottles of Coca Cola. Here In italy 10$= 7 Euro = 4 bottles
    only :) )
  • sorry, not bottle, 48 Cans,
    1 Can cola= 1.60RMB= 0.235$
    48 Cans= 2 boxes = 76.8RMB= 11.29 US dollar= 7.92 Euro

    that's so coool if u eating or drinking in China , haha
  • if u visit to China, i bring u to the Great Wall and eat delicious foods, and also eat a sea of pretty pretty girls, hahaha,, it's all on me,, ^ ^
  • Its crazy, and pure greed my friend! Hope you get a resolution and closure.
  • Hi Pizero. I realy love your themes and I realy hope you will use your precious time and energy to create more themes.
    I honostly believe that when it comes to money, creativity deminishes.
    Pls. take my advise. Ignore these bad people. It's not worth you attention and frustration!
  • Pizero, first of all, congratulations from Spain for your designs. I'm really impressed for your work for a long time, sincerely.
    I realize and share your concerns, because there are a lot of people doing bad things on Internet, like you talk in your post. But this shouldn't to stop doing your job/hobbie. Many people, like me, appreciate your efforts and generosity of creating themes for free, and also for the premium themes.
    One solution can be create a register form for the habitual users, free of course, that allows you to control who comes to the web, who dowloaded this and discover who acts on suspicious way. It's only an idea. I only want to help you.
    cheer up!
  • Please take some legal action against HANDANGO!
    It is correct that they have a problem the minute you inform that about the fraud - you also need the information about the seller, and for that you need to have a judicial authority.
    Go and sue Handango - this will be the best you can do (for your matter and for the world of S60). Do not forget to sue them for the money THEY got from selling illegal software (from the guy whole sold) - believe me: its not an easy situation for handango, and if they turn out to be that lazy - get them!!
    All the best, and thank you for informing us all - so that we can stop buy from handango ;-)
  • Hi,
    I think that the themes that you provide are absolutely awesome and I feel that these people who are trying to profit from it are so unethical. I hope that if people like your themes enough that they'll look for your site and realize the themes are free and will continue to pay/use
    The great themes on your site. All the best, I hope handing resolves this :)
  • Hi, this makes my piss boil. I really hope you get somewhere with Handango and if not, get yourself a lawyer and rip them a new asshole. They can't continue to aid fraud and get away with it so if it is at all possible for you, financially, take them to the cleaners. I will continue to report and attack anywhere I see people selling your free themes or dishing the premium ones out for free.

    Everyone should get complaints in to Handango too!
    Power to the people
  • Sorry about the LetItBit.net - the warez. I see that you have a lot of problems and I made You some. Sorry.

    It's me, the one who posted your themes to the Symbian-freak.com forum. I feel very sory about that.
  • Oh hell. All of the bloody bureaucracy. I feel for you, man.

    Thanks for the free themes. The glassy iPhone-like ones are absolutely gorgeous... from the preview anyway. I can't test them - I purchased an N82 two weeks ago, but the shipment it was supposed to arrive with got stopped at customs, citing a lack of papers. The company I ordered it through sent through the papers, but received no reply. Bureaucracy... zzz.

    I wish you the best of luck with your claims; at least you're well-known among most of the skin-building community, and a lot of people will recognise your work.

    Would you mind if I interviewed you? Just send you a few questions about how you got into theme building, what inspires you, how you manage your workflow, and then publish the interview on my site?
  • o,hai! Remember me from MXit Forum?
  • No, I don't. But hi. :P
  • Pizero, if you're reading your comments, just to say that I've been trying to reach the public relations company of Handango and put some pressure on them to give a statement, it's what I can do as a journalist.

    Also wrote an article of your struggle: http://phonereport.info/2008/09/15/pizero-being...

    Best of luck!
  • Thanks for you article, but I think "robbed by handango" is quite aggressive
    title. In fact i'm being robbed by Someone that sells on handango. Handango
    is not responsible for this, but only they should help me. I hope this will
    happen, but they are not really fast at the moment!
  • Isn't this a moment to be aggressive?
  • I'm glad it has been solved, and I hope we have contributed to the pressure, here is what Handango's PR said:
    "It is a high priority for Handango to address potential copyright and trademark issues for our developers' products and to do so as soon as we are made aware of potential claims. Unfortunately, this was brought to our attention while several of our content team members were attending the Handango Future Forum at CTIA in San Francisco last week. We have addressed this process issue and you can count on Handango to respond more timely in the event this type of issue should arise again in the future. In the meanwhile, we have now deactivated the "symbianShow" products from our site. We apologize for the delay and any inconvenience for PiZero."

    I will post on that later
  • Hi guys,

    Yes, I read all. I understand your felling now, and I just want to tell you that lots of things had happened and are happening arount the world.

    Have a look at Micrsoft Operating System, XP, Vista, as well Office 2007. I am a user too, and do you know what I am using now? Of course, it is the free one and unlocked.

    The problem is that the copyrights was changed, but not the users. I never modify that, however I can do that. I know that everybody do the free thing as a hobby. Like me, I did the Garmin GPS software installation trainning. To support it for free, just because my hobby.

    I have 2 suggestions for you:

    1. If you fell that the all things are your interesting, and want to share with other people to enjoy them, PLEASE DONT GIVE UP MAKING THEMES.

    2. If you thought your copyright was violated, you can sell themes.

    PLEASE MAKE YOUSELF HAPPY, but NOT THE USER.
  • I have to admit with grief that i saw this coming... What really stirs my guts is the outrage Handandgo pulled off on you with the 72-hour deadline. On the other hand if your themes are still up and on sale there you can keep mailing them about the matter.
    And again it just makes sick to my stomach... petty theft, petty people, petty conciousness. Maybe we, your fans could help you. Maybe we can mail the sh*t out of Handandgo till they remove the items and get the seller to suffer the consequences of his illegal actions. I hereby call out to all who have downloaded a theme from this site. IF not money, we can donate a tiny bit of our time to put together a mail and flood handango's "support", "service" or whatever thst's called.
    So what we need is the Order Reference Number and the Product Name for that sack of sh*t copycat so that we can flood them with the relevant information.
    Here's the link for submiting a Customer "Care" request (honestly, I had to browse for 5 mins till I found a way to contact them): http://www.handango.com/CSSupportItem.jsp?siteId=1
    So Pizero, if You read this, please provide us with the info about the fake product and we'll fry their mail server. Standing by for your reply.
    For once we can make sure that a scumbag will not escape unpunished. For once we can try and put things right. For once we can stand up for what's good.

    -mynick(attt)yahooo(dottt)commm-
  • there are good and bad people around the world. There is nothing you can do about it except just do what you do best and continue making great themes for the community. I think you should no longer making free theme but instead charge a lesser amount for any theme on Premium, like $1-$3 USD. That way it will not discourage anyone from buying theme and will help you doing the work!
  • Hi mate. Just to say good luck in your investigation. Your themes are great and I think I tried few of them (the free ones). In regards to your concerns, well ... as stated, i really wish you good luck in catching the offender. I am not sure why are you surprised though -- that's the Internet today, that's the piracy today ... This defenitely doesn't promote the EXCELENT free software (unfortunately). The only thing some people get left wth is PRIDE! Pride that they are helping others, pride on the quality of the software they provide.

    I'd say you'd need to take a judgement call:

    1. kepp persuing scammers - you might catch one or two, but not all of them!
    2. Stop doing what you do for free
    3. Keep doing it, for free, and move on!

    All the best
    2.
  • So glad, that eventually this bad situation has found the RIGHT solution!!

    And now..Keep coming your wonderful themes my dear friend ;)

    Best regards
  • Hi Pizero,
    Wow .. I read all of your post here. I really surprised that there are people like that living.
    I really understand how mad you are knowing the fact that sick people take advantage
    financially from your work.

    You are a wonderful theme-maker. In my N95, there are only original theme from Nokia and from Pizero.net. First time I had my N95 I check other sites, but in the last 6 month, I never check other sites,
    just check your site.
    If it's easier for me to deliver money, I will buy you a beer .. :)
    You really deserve that.

    Hopefully I will have a Paypal account in the near future.

    Best regards.
  • "With a little help from your friends"!!!

    MrJackHammer
  • I just think that in order to reduce to some extent the recurring tendencies of theft you can start building your .sis files with UID within the protected range so that they require signing. And as I found out in my own experience there is no way to repack a .sis file with a new UID to be installable on all devices. This should put off copycats from messing wiht your themes.
  • Cooooool!! Wait everybody, you're about to see the best Pizero theme ever to celebrate this!! jejeje. It's a joke! Congratulations, very glad.
  • 支持你PiZero!
  • Hi Pizero!
    There will be always, some people who make money by cheating or by exploiting dumb users... If someone posts, on the ebay, those who pay to get those themes, should have some common sense. They should know that, there ALWAYS ARE free alternatives! If they (those who pay and buy) think that they can get good things, only by paying money, they are the fools....

    And as for you worrying, please don't worry about it! It's the way world works and you can do very little about it. As long as there are dumb people, there will be exploiters...

    A few measures, which might help you. When installing a theme, you can show that your themes are free and display your site name. You can also embed your site name within your theme (like you've done in some themes).
  • que maricon saliste PIZERO por unos cuantos temas suvidos a foros ya te pones a llorar Joto
  • Dear PZ,
    congratulations! You are now officially part of the successfull set in the world.
    People copying, selling, cloning, counterfeiting and generally making money out of your free themes, should make you proud and not sad. Nobody copies a crust... But everyone would love to show off a Gauguin or a Monet or a Botticelli in their living room.
    You have to accept the fact that people are more than willing to pay for your free themes (like me for example... remember or long emails about the Silver Theme?) so, exactly for that reason there will be plenty of people that want a piece of the action and will try to steal from you and resell to innocent ignoring folks who just need to have one of your themes.
    Rejoice! You are now part of that small group of successful people that can sell their work and not just give it away...
    I know it's tough to see your babies being sold on ebay.
    But it is a very clear sign of your success so... Ok get mad about it for 5 minutes... smash a few phones on the wall... but then think of all the loyal customers who are reporting to you all illegal actions.
    This is what you should focus on.... the good people around you... not the bad ones...
    Take care and enjoy your success.
    Ciao,
    Pier Francesco

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